NYPD Ticketing Cyclists in Prospect Park and Central Park

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As dangerous drivers continue to injure and kill with impunity, NYPD is targeting cyclists in parks.

Joanna Oltman Smith tweeted the above photo this afternoon. Police were ticketing cyclists on the loop of Prospect Park, Smith wrote, “mere feet” from the raging torrent of speeding traffic that is Flatbush Avenue. Motorists have killed at least six pedestrians and cyclists on Flatbush since 2012, according to crash data compiled by Streetsblog.

Earlier this week, NYPD also set up in Central Park during the morning commute, handing out warnings and tickets to cyclists. A reader reports:

This morning around 8:30 we rolled up to the light in the park loop nearest Columbus Circle, my normal exit before locking up for work, to find at least three NYPD warning and/or ticketing cyclists to stop at red lights… One of the most obnoxious things about these stings is that the cops don’t recognize when you are already slowing for a light, so you get castigated no matter what you do.

Given that this is happening during hours when drivers are permitted in the park, seems like a lame enforcement effort, since cars routinely go over the posted 25 mph limit in the park.

As we’ve written before, ticketing cyclists for ticketing’s sake isn’t making streets safer, and it distracts from reckless driving, which is by far the leading cause of death and injury on NYC streets.

Data released last summer showed NYPD was ticketing cyclists at a higher rate than drivers in the Citi Bike service area. With a new police commissioner on the job and Vision Zero at or near the top of the new mayor’s agenda, let’s hope these pointless spring stings turn out to be an aberration.

  • Guest

    Still, this article doesn’t mention what people are getting tickets for.

  • gina

    As someone who walks in Prospect Park daily, I am thrilled to see police ticketing bikers who are not obeying the rules. I, and my friends and my children, have almost been hit multiple times by bikers who ride on pedestrian paths and by those who do not stop at the traffic lights. Also, the bikes coming down the hill toward the lake on the Park’s Southside are often going at unsafe speeds, and often do not stop at the light. This is where a woman was nearly killed and was in a coma after being hit by a bike last year. Just because cars can be dangerous to pedestrians does not mean bikes can’t be too. They’re not mutually exclusive. And, I should add, I support bike riding. I am a biker too. The tickets are going to people riding unsafely, as they should.

  • Walker

    Absolutely. This article is absurd. As if being close to a busy street gives cyclists a right to terrorize pedestrians? If cycling in the city is only done by young or aggressive white males, it is a failure. Yet they are the ones physically dominating the parks.

  • Walker

    The cyclist who hit one of two women who were put into a coma two years ago in Prospect Park by cyclists was calculated to being going 50 mph when he mowed her down near the Vanderbilt Playground (it’s a steep hill and blind curve).

  • Joe R.

    50 mph? I’m calling bs on that. There aren’t any hills in Prospect Park (or NYC for that matter) long enough and steep enough where it’s possible to get up to 50 mph without a major tailwind. I’ll take your word for it about the injuries, however. You don’t need to be going 50 mph to inflict severe injuries to a person with a bike. The cyclist was probably severely injured as well.

  • Joe R.

    There shouldn’t be a light on a downhill. As a bike rider you should realize it’s dangerous to quickly stop from the high speeds attained while descending. It’s also dangerous to keep your speed in check by riding the brake while going downhill as that can overheat the rim and cause blowouts. This is just an awful, awful place to put a traffic signal. NYC should know better. Grade separate cyclists and pedestrians on the downhill sections. It’ll be safer for everyone. And take the stupid traffic signals out everywhere. It’s a park, not a city street. Traffic signals don’t belong in a park. Giving tickets to cyclists for going through red lights at empty crosswalks, which probably accounts for about 99% of the tickets here, isn’t making things safer for anyone.

  • Joe R.

    If cycling in the city is only done by young or aggressive white males, it is a failure. Yet they are the ones physically dominating the parks.

    Perhaps this is because the parks are the only place in the city where it’s possible to ride without needing to deal with cars or cross traffic at intersections? I personally don’t ride in either Central Park or Prospect Park. In fact, I don’t live near either one. However, I can understand why these parks might be dominated by fast male riders. There really aren’t any other places in NYC where someone who bikes for fitness can just ride a bike to their full potential without needing to stop or slow down. Just as NYC accommodates people who engage in other sports like basketball or baseball, it should accommodate sport riding. If that means putting pedestrian bridges over the roads in some of the parks, so be it. Or perhaps NYC can build facilities elsewhere. Regardless, there’s obviously a strong demand for such facilities. Perhaps a good compromise is to allow this type of riding on the park roads at certain times when pedestrians aren’t around in large numbers. Between 10 PM and about 5 or 6 AM seems like a good time for this. It would be understood during these hours that cyclists have the absolute right-of-way over crossing pedestrians, there would be no speed limits, and the traffic lights would either be turned off, or cyclists could ignore them. Remember the parks are for everyone. If you can’t accommodate fast cyclists during busier times, then do so during off-peak times.

  • klm

    ‘Just as NYC accommodates people who engage in other sports like basketball or baseball, it should accommodate sport riding. ‘

    Then go to the velodrome in Kissena Park, which has a more comparable footprint to a basketball or baseball field.

    ‘Remember the parks are for everyone.’

    Parks are emphatically not for every activity. Taking a winding road that pedestrians have to cross to get to park amenities at excessive speed is reckless and doesn’t belong in the park anymore than doing so in a car or an ATV. And no, you won’t be able to get accessible bridges put in for the handful of cyclists who want to ride like maniacs.

    Build more (smoother) velodromes funded by cyclists if you want something like that so badly.

  • klm

    Have you ever been there? It really isn’t all that steep in the park, except for one small section, but since the road is one way you get it going uphill not down. If you slow down before the hills you don’t have to ride the breaks too hard or at all to maintain a speed that would allow you to stop if the light turns red. It’s not an awful place to put a light (I’m assuming the one by Vanderbilt). It’s a good place for a crossing, because a lot of people enter the park there and want to get to the lake. On the weekends in the summer there is an almost continuous flow of cyclists, many of them maintaining reckless speeds, a light makes it easier for people to cross. By reckless speed I mean they wouldn’t be able to stop if someone stepped into the crosswalk as they came around the corner.

  • Joe R.

    There are plenty of places NYC could accommodate sport riding besides in parks. I put forth several ideas on how they could do so in parks. There are many other places they could be accommodated outside of parks, including just building a network of bike highways, which incidentally would also be quite useful for commuter cyclists. The Kissena Velodrome is only for track bikes. The vast majority of riders doing loops around the parks would find riding on a velodrome exceedingly boring even if they were allowed, which they wouldn’t be.

    And what’s your definition of maniac? FYI, the speed limit on these park roads is 25 mph. I’ll bet even most of the cyclists you say ride like maniacs aren’t exceeding that by much, if at all. Bridges would make it safer for everyone. Moreover, if it’s as busy as you claim, then using lights means both pedestrians and cyclists get stuck at reds. That’s unacceptable for a place which is supposed to be for recreation. You should be able to walk where you want, or ride where you’re allowed to, without having to stop. Traffic signals are a lazy, half-assed solution which for obvious reasons doesn’t work at that well. Grade separation works 100% of the time, for everyone.

  • Joe R.

    I’m not familiar at all with this area. I’m just saying that in general putting a traffic signal on a downhill section where bikes go is about as dumb as it gets. Putting a crossing in a blind corner on a downhill is even dumber. Grade separate this crossing for heaven’s sake! If it’s on a downhill it sounds like if you make the downhill portion of the road less steep, it’ll wind about 8 to 10 feet above the existing crossing. That will be perfect. Pedestrians won’t even have to go up or down to cross. They’ll cross exactly where they do now, only the bikes will be above them. Yes, it costs money, but right now if a few people get hit by bikes and sue the city for this bad design that would probably cost some millions of dollars. It’s cheaper in the long run to just build bridges at the busier crossings. Hopefully some tort lawyer will force the city to do exactly that.

  • klm

    That sounds like it would be ugly as sin and be very expensive. The current set up would work but for a minority of cyclists who don’t want to slow down. Ticket the reckless riders and the they’ll stop.

  • klm

    The speed limit is 25 or less if conditions make 25 dangerous. Going around some of the curves in PP with minimal visibility and down a hill you need to slow down to less than 25 for safety. This isn’t a place for cyclists to race. So they need to slow down and follow the rules for the safety and comfort of other park users.

    You can go to kissena without a track bike. It’s almost always empty anyway.

  • Joe R.

    Tickets aren’t the answer. They’ll just end up riding someplace else where it’ll cause even more problems. It’s a f*cking park, not a city street. Traffic signals don’t belong in parks. The only reason they were put there is because cars are allowed on those roads, which they shouldn’t be. Cars don’t belong in parks at any speed. I hope we can at least agree on that.

    So the bridges in Central Park are ugly? Please. The current setup doesn’t work, and it’s not just because of a minority of riders. How many millions is this stupid police dragnet costing? There’s your bridge right there. NYC would rather spend millions paying police to do something which won’t even fix the problem than build infrastructure which will.

    By the way, tickets will actually make the problem worse. The vast majority of those ticketed here aren’t problem cyclists. The tickets will discourage them from riding. The fast, reckless riders will ride regardless. All tickets will do is decrease the percentage of non-problem riders who might have a calming effect on the reckless few. Remember the police here aren’t chasing down cyclists who fly at 30 mph through crowded crosswalks. They would have to stop munching their donuts to do that. Rather, they’re nabbing slow, easy to catch riders going through red lights at empty crosswalks. I fail to see how anyone is going to benefit from this. And they’re not even giving pedestrians tickets for crossing on red, or out of the crosswalk. I wouldn’t condone this any more than giving cyclists tickets, but at least if they did this the enforcement would be even-handed.

  • Joe R.

    I repeat that having crossings on downhills and around blind curves is dangerous. You can go on all you want about what people should or shouldn’t do but the fact is this is a dangerous situation which in the end will probably require a lawsuit before the city will finally fix it the right way-namely by grade separating bikes/cars and crossing pedestrians.

    I tried riding the Kissena Velodrome one night last year. It has a fence around it. Nobody was there, but I barely did one lap when some burly guy told me to get the f*ck off with my road bike. It’s for track bikes only, period, and then only at the times when the velodrome isn’t being using the various scheduled events. Read the rules:


  • klm

    Did they repave it? Alright well before they repaved it nobody was ever there to care, so I and others took road and mountain bikes there frequently, never had any problems. Did they fix it up after that rich guy failed to get the velodrome stadium put in in Brooklyn Bridge park? If you want people to be able to race their bikes then build a few more, they are a more comparable footprint to other facilities, and they give people a place to race, something that doesn’t belong in parks. You can still get a good workout around central or prospect parks, just slow down on the downhill segments instead of pedaling faster.

    Not everything is a right. Riding your bike as fast as you can down a hill and around a curve isn’t a right. If there’s nobody in the crosswalk or about to enter it let the bikes go through the light, all I want is them to slow down a bit so that if someone is in the crosswalk, or about to enter it they can stop and yield to the pedestrians who have, and should have, the right of way.

    From your posts it seems like your ideal is infrastructure that guides people to behave in a safe manner. That’s never enough though. There are always a few outliers that behave recklessly, endangering themselves and others. People aren’t perfectly rational, and infrastructure is only 90%. The last 10% requires enforcement. The minority of cyclists that feel the need to race down a hill? They should be targeted for enforcement. That doesn’t mean that the ones who slow down but still go through a red light when the crosswalk is empty should get pulled over. But the dangerous cyclists should. Grade separating any one crossing might not cost much, but to do so across the entire city would cost a fortune.

    One of the downsides of being in the same place as millions of other people is that you have to give up a certain amount of freedom in order for everyone to get along. You can’t play your music as loud as you want, you can’t drive as fast as you want, or cross the street whenever and wherever you want. And some activities are too dangerous, or too expensive, either in financial terms or in the costs they exact on those nearby, to be appropriate in the city. So compromises have to be made. In some cases, like the guy who was racing around Manhattan, or those who want to race around on their dirt bikes and ATVs, on the streets or in the parks, activities should be prohibited entirely. There’s no feasibly way to allow them in the city. People who want to get a good workout on their bikes? That’s different. PP and CP have room for that to a point. Go as fast as you want uphill, but ease up for the downhill stretches. The number of people who aren’t satisfied with that is going to be small. It’s not worth it to build bridges just for them. On the list of unfunded municipal priorities, putting in a bike bridge in prospect park so cyclists never have to slow at all is pretty far down.

    I’ll add that there are a few hills I don’t mind seeing people try to race down, conditionally. The bridges. The condition being that nobody is nearby. You can see that going down a straight bridge. You can’t see it going around a curve.

  • Joe R.

    Yeah, you’re talking about the time before the Kissena Velodrome was repaved and fenced off. Back in the 1980s I rode on it quite a bit myself. People bought road bikes, mountain bikes, even dirt bikes. Rough as hell but still a lot of fun. I don’t know the back story behind why it was fixed up, but I totally agree we need more velodromes, and parks are a perfect reasonable place to put them.

    I never said people should be able to ride as fast as they want all the time. I think a great compromise here is to let the fast riders have the roads late nights, with the set of rules I mentioned. That only slightly inconveniences the relatively small number of pedestrians who might be crossing the roads that time in that they might need to wait a few seconds for a pack of bikes to pass. I also forgot-the rules should include that the bikes must have lights. You can’t reasonably expect crossing pedestrians to let bikes go by if they can’t see them. During busier hours, it’s perfectly reasonable if cyclists slow or stop for crossing pedestrians. I follow this philosophy myself. I like to go riding fast on the local streets but I only do so after about 9 or 10 PM when I can ride reasonably unfettered by obstacles. I still yield to crossing pedestrians or vehicles before I pass red lights, but late nights there are far fewer of them.

    Obviously in NYC we can’t accommodate every conceivable recreational activity. We can’t have a shooting range in Central Park, for example, nor should we accommodate motorized recreational vehicles which pollute and go way too fast.

    Yes, the bridges are a great place to race down at top speed provided we make sure to keep bikes and peds completely separated. Some of the major arterials are also great places to go fast in that visibility is great, plus there are sections where very few people cross. You’re right there’s a time and place for everything. I spend a lot of my time intentionally choosing routes where I can keep my speed up with a minimum of inconvenience to anyone else. NY25 past city limits after midnight is great for cycling. The lights are on sensors, which means I often go the entire 6.3 miles from Glen Cove Road to NYC limits without seeing a red signal. It’s just a pity NYC doesn’t put its traffic signals on sensors late nights. That would make most arterials good places for sustained fast cycling.

  • klm

    Can’t give cyclists the right of way around prospect park. Curves too much, so pedestrians won’t have a line of sight to see a bike at some park entrances. Most bike lights aren’t bright enough to shine around a bend. There are just a few crossings in a lap around the park, what’s so wrong about asking someone to not race down a hill around a bend? If you want to train for a long distance race, maybe NYC isn’t the place for you. We don’t accommodate nascar drivers here either.

    If there are so many people who want to race then build a velodrome that allows people not on fixed gear bikes, and if it’s just a few, then tell them to get a track bike for Kissena.

  • Joe R.

    Prospect Park might not be a great course to train on anyway. It’s not much over 3 miles all around, which is really short by most bike racing standards. You could in theory engineer away any safety issues with bridges if there really are only a few crossings in the entire lap. Whether or not it makes sense to do so depends upon how many people would benefit. I tend to think the group who would benefit is more than just the hard core racers, particularly if we insist on continuing to allow cars in the park.

    Unlike in Central Park where the lights go red on regular cycles, at least the lights in Prospect Park are button-controlled. In theory then that means a cyclist should never see a red light unless someone is actually crossing. In practice I wonder if kids play around pushing the buttons.

    If you’re a pro you really can’t train in NYC full time regardless of infrastructure. You can’t get mountain climbing or altitude training here.

  • qrt145

    I don’t know much about sports cycling, but I know enough to tell that road racing and velodrome racing are completely different sports. Besides the differences in equipment that have already been mentioned, your suggestion is like telling marathoners to go do their 20-mile runs in a 400-m track. Not likely to work. Even if you built a velodrome specifically for non-fixed-gear bikes, very few people would want to use it.

  • MrBadExample

    I see everybody’s side in this dispute. The crosswalk at the bottom of the Prospect Park hill by the Coney Island Avenue circle is an accident waiting to happen–if you’re on a bike and you stop for pedestrians in the crosswalk, you run a serious risk of getting hit from behind. The traffic lights are also timed as if the cars are present–the lights seem to change regardless of whether anyone wants to cross. I stop when there are pedestrians in the walkway, and I signal walkers of my intentions so that they know I’m going to slow down and/or go around them even if they’re crossing against the light.
    I see clueless cyclists, clueless pedestrians and clueless motorists in Prospect Park all the time. I really don’t know what people are thinking. I have watched in horror as parents have pushed kids on razor scooters out into the bike path, oblivious of the oncoming peloton. There are too many pedestrians who want to play chicken with cyclists. Then you have stray drivers who have no business in the park most times of the day. Throw in the extra crowds for a holiday picnic or activity at the bandshell, and the park is nearly as dangerous as any street in Brooklyn. Enforcement of laws on cyclists isn’t going to help if the pedestrians don’t understand the rules.

  • klm

    If marathon runners don’t want to keep the safety and comfort of other road users in mind then they should be on a track or a treadmill. And guess what, plenty of people training for marathons spend time on treadmills.

    My suggestion of the velodrome is for the few inconsiderate cyclists that are unwilling to slow down around curves enough in a park for people to safely be able to cross the street. PP and CP aren’t their own personal training grounds. They should get rollers or on a velodrome if they don’t want to be considerate to pedestrians.

  • Sabina

    How do you signal to walkers that you intend to stop and let them cross? I haven’t found a good solution to this and wonder if you have. (In particular, I find that when I am approaching a red light and slowing down to stop, pedestrians in the crosswalk — crossing with the light — often panic and stop when they see me approaching. Even if I shout out something like “go ahead, you have the light” it doesn’t seem to help.)

  • Joe R.

    Use your hand to “wave” them across the way I’ve seen school crossing guards do. After a brief moment of surprise that you’re letting them cross, it usually works.

    On another note, I typically only do this if the pedestrian has the legal right of way. Most of the time pedestrians expect passing bikes to not stop or slow down for them. In all honestly, when I’m walking I tend to let bikes go by even when I do have the right-of-way. It’s less time consuming for me to briefly stop walking to let them pass than it is for me to wait for them to slow or stop (assuming they do). There’s even a good rationale for this. In many cases where no mechanized traffic controls exist, such as in the air or on the water, faster vehicles generally have priority over slower ones for the simple reason it takes them longer to stop and get back up to speed. It makes sense to apply this logic to bicycle/pedestrian encounters. The only time it doesn’t make sense is when the stream of cyclists is continuous and pedestrians would have to wait indefinitely if cyclists didn’t stop. I doubt the perimeter roads in Prospect Park or Central Park are ever that busy but I could be wrong.

  • Joe R.

    A lot of cyclists use rollers or exercise bikes to train during inclement weather. However, those are no substitute for road riding. Neither is riding on a track. There are entire sets of skills which can only be developed from road riding.

    For what it would cost to build a velodrome, you could just build bridges to solve the crossing issues you mentioned. Remember the bridges benefit everyone in that they eliminate waiting at crossing. Unfortunately, NYC appears to be unwilling to do either solution.

  • MrBadExample

    Usually I establish eye contact then sweep my arm across handlebars in the direction they’re going. If I’m stopping for a light, I say ‘It’s your turn’ pretty loudly. A smile helps. Pedestrians get it about 80% of the time. In the park, it’s more complicated because I don’t know who’s behind me or whether they’ll stop. One of the problems with the whole bike-lane system is that if you’re the first one to the red light and you stop, you have no idea whether the riders behind you will stop also.
    Another problem is that most pedestrians who are non-cyclists have no idea what it takes to bring a bicycle at speed to a halt. People will walk in front of you against the light (or any survival sense) because they think of bicycles as slow-moving. there’s not much to do about that.

  • WoodyinNYC

    The photograph suggests that maybe they are getting tickets for “bicycling while black”. Considering who is giving out the tickets, that seems perfectly plausible. I think I’ve seen some of that myself in my years of riding in the city.

  • qrt145

    Way to extrapolate from one picture. I’ve seen them ticket mostly white cyclists. My sample is very limited, but at least it’s more than one! And if we are going to extrapolate based on single observations, what about Alec Baldwin: was he stopped for cycling while black too?

  • WoodyinNYC

    Of course, you know of no other evidence that cops tend to target blacks more than whites and so Denny Ferrell and I have unfounded concerns.

    Except for that court case about stops on the New Jersey Turnpike. So now the NJ State Police have to keep a record of stops by race or color of those stopped. Except for marijuana arrests, where nationally, whites and blacks smoke weed in basically the same percentages, but marijuana arrests, convictions, and jail time are overwhelmingly of blacks.

    Not so many years ago there was a Midtown crackdown on bicycle messengers. I watched cops on Sixth Avenue pull over black guys on bikes while whites cruised past.

    Son, it’s sweet of you to think that racial discrimination among the police does not exist. Sweet, as in Naive.

  • Chuck Builders

    Problem is educated, liberal white people seem to feel like it’s politically correct to freak out and act extra dorky when they see a bicycle coming. It’s a lot nicer riding in the hood where people completely ignore bicycles coming up on them, they’re so much more predictable and it’s very easy to just ride around them no matter who actually has the right of way.

  • Chuck Builders

    Problem is that there are a few intersections where cyclists really do need to wait for the light because there’s no way to see the cross traffic, often due to temporary conditions like construction or a big truck parked near the intersection so then someone rides through it and gets clobbered and then blames the city for saying it’s ok to just yield.

  • Joe R.

    You post signs that you need to completely stop before passing a red at any intersection where lines of sight are compromised due to construction. That solves the problem.

    However, lines of sight shouldn’t be compromised by trucks parking near intersections, except for construction purposes. It should be illegal to park within 75 feet of an intersection in NYC regardless of whether or not we ever gave cyclists the legal right to pass red signals. Lines of sight are important for crossing pedestrians. Vehicle parking shouldn’t take precedence over safety.

  • lop

    Parked cars don’t interfere with line of sight much for adult pedestrians. Only kids/short people. Trucks (and SUVs) on the other hand….

    But you still don’t need 75 feet free of trucks if vehicles slow down before they start turning so that they can comfortable stop if they see a pedestrian. 15 or 20 feet would be enough at reasonable speeds.

  • lop


    NYS law says if you go through a yield sign without stopping, hitting a pedestrian in the crosswalk or a vehicle in the intersection ‘shall be deemed prima facie evidence of…failure to yield the right of way.’

    Any cyclists who tried to bring such a case would find that he wasted his time and money doing so.

    If traffic comes around a corner and you want to make it clear to the cyclist that it isn’t safe to proceed just put up a sign saying cyclists cannot proceed through a red light, similar to no turn on red signs outside of the city.

  • Joe R.

    I’m talking about blocking the line of sight for crossing pedestrians. If a tall vehicle is anywhere within about 75 feet of the intersection in the direction of incoming traffic, I can’t see a thing until I’m out in the traffic lane. How can you safely cross the street if you can’t see what’s coming (and by extension they can’t see you)? I refuse to blindly (pun intended) put my faith in traffic signals, assuming they are even installed where I might happen to be crossing.

  • Chuck Builders

    Yeah and especially going after cyclists in the park is like shooting fish in a barrel. Also I wonder if anyone would like to organize protests to try to encourage NYPD to actually enforce the speed limit. Or is it impossible for them to do so on city streets where illegal speeds can’t be sustained for very long?

  • Peter

    As mini-tour de france wannabes race around central park at greater speeds than the cars that have displaced, these bikers disregard the pedestrians who wish to cross the drive, fail to obey traffic lights and wave aside bicycle tourists. They scream and gesticulate at those pedestrians and at times purposely brush them. The park drive is not a race course and dressing in speedos, wearing a space age helmet, buying a +$10,000 bike and lowering their heads does not confer any proprietary right to disobey all rules established to ensure that all enjoy the park. I suggest that the appropriate action is not to simply ticket the racing bicyclists but to ban them and return the park to the walkers, joggers, dog walkers, tourists and touring bikers who can collegially enjoy the park.

  • heylook

    In my local park, Ft. Tryon Park, we’ve been trying to get NYPD to ticket speeding cyclists for years. In that park, pedestrians and cyclists share a path (cyclists aren’t actually allowed), and teens (usually) speed down the steep hills at incredible speeds. Just in the last few weeks a dog was trampled and a guy just walking was badly hurt.

    But of course, this is uptown…and the NYPD doesn’t care.

  • blah blah

    Good. These cyclist ride their bikes like maniacs. They don’t give a shit about following the law they ride their bikes at high speed on the sidewalks and parks. They disregard pedestrines, blow through stop signs and stop light. Ticket all of them!


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