Today’s Headlines

  • IBO Graphics Quantify Time Lost to Subway Delays (GothamistPost)
  • NYC Is Scaling Back Post-Sandy Flood Protection Measures, Now Years Behind (WNYCNY1, DNA)
  • Suffolk DA Thomas Spota Indicted for Interfering With Police Assault Investigation (NYT)
  • Lhota: Next Gen Fare Cards Will Be Sold Retail (WNYC); MTA Drops Alcohol Ads (NYT, News)
  • No One Showed Up to Protest Sunset Park Bike Lanes; Brooklyn Paper: Bikelash!
  • Cuomo Revives Barry Diller’s Pier 55 Project, Promises to Pitch In for Hudson River Park (PoliticoNYT)
  • How the Governor Is Investing in Upstate Downtown Revivals (Politico)
  • Parents Want to Fortify Lower Manhattan School Play Street to Keep Motorists Out (Trib)
  • Motorist Kills TLC Driver Standing Near Car on LIE in Queens; No Charges (News)
  • Advance: Driverless Car Crashes Into Graniteville Store, Hospitalizes Customer
  • Related: What’s Scary About This Halloween Display Is We’re All Living It (Post)

More headlines at Streetsblog USA

  • Vooch

    The street in front of every NYC school should be car free from 0600 to 1800 every school day

  • JarekFA

    Parents Want to Fortify Tribeca School Play Street to Keep Motorists Out (Trib)

    Should probably headiine that as a South Street Seaport or Financial District school. It isn’t in Tribeca.

  • HamTech87

    Finally, Cuomo is investing in Upstate Downtown Revivals. There weren’t too many details in this, but let’s hope its not for parking lots.

  • Larry Littlefield

    Well, a lot of money went into downtown Schenectady, I can tell you that. Currently replacing a train station with a fancier one.

  • ohnonononono

    Hasn’t the state been spending money trying to “revitalize” Upstate cities for the past 100 years? Hasn’t literally every single governor made this promise? I’m not hopeful that Cuomo finally figured it out.

  • HamTech87

    If people arrived in cities like Utica and saw a network of green protected bike lanes and bus system signage signifying “frequency is freedom”, that would be hugely attractive. And living car-free would mean the $9K/yr saved on a car could be spending on local biz. Why doesn’t Cuomo get that?

  • HamTech87

    I think a lot of $ went to sprawling out upstate cities and overbuilding highways. http://joeplanner.blogspot.com/2010/02/sprawl-and-r-word-buffalo-niagara-case.html

  • ohnonononono

    Right, but at the time they thought that was “revitalization.” Buffalo has had many revitalization plans and spent lots of public money trying to improve things over the decades. Their failure is not for lack of trying, it’s for poor decisions made. I’m not sure I believe that they suddenly get it.

  • Toddster

    Is your $9k/year stat the sticker price of the car or the cost of maintenance/gas or both?

  • HamTech87
  • Joe R.

    It’s a combination of a generational thing plus the fact Cuomo is a car enthusiast. Many in his generation, which is generally those who are in their late 50s or older, grew up in a time when the motor car was ascendant but traffic was still low enough to not cause many of the problems seen today. As a result, they still see cars as the primary means people should get around. Many in my generation, which is only about 5 years younger, grew up in an era where you started having bad traffic jams and major air pollution problems. As a result, we have a somewhat more balanced view of transportation. Well, some of us anyway. Those younger than me tend to have even larger percentages who support this more balanced view.

    Cuomo being a car enthusiast doesn’t help, either. When you like cars, of course you want to pave over everything. I’ll admit to being just as guilty of this type of thinking from a railfan/cyclist perspective. I see putting tracks and bike roads everywhere as the answer. Actually, that’s at least semi-reasonable, particularly if you put bike routes parallel to railway rights-of-way. The same things which benefit trains, like complete separation from all other modes and low gradients, also greatly benefit cyclists.

    Anyway, we all have our biases. The problem is we’ve seen cars don’t scale up particularly well. That doesn’t mean we don’t include them in transportation planning. It just means we only include them in scenarios where they make sense. Usually, cars should be considered less as density increases. Yes, Cuomo just doesn’t get that.

  • Larry Littlefield

    The thing is, you will be getting off the train in Utica an hour later than scheduled because your Amtrak train was caught behind a 20 mph train carrying trash, lumber, etc.

  • Larry Littlefield

    Sounds like the cost of several cars. They don’t cost that much.

    Average U.S. household, 1.9 vehicles, about $8,400 spent on vehicles, all in.

    https://www.bls.gov/cex/2016/combined/age.pdf

    More in NYC of course, but not necessarily more in Utica or Syracuse.

  • vnm

    It’s probably the combo of insurance, depreciation, maintenance, gas, etc. Doesn’t include mental aggravation of fighting/being stuck in . . . traffic. And it’s more like $14K in New York. http://www.apta.com/mediacenter/pressreleases/2017/Pages/September-Transit-Savings-Report-.aspx

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  • ItsEasyBeingGreen

    Those (pre-existing, historic district, yadda yadda) cobbles seem like a tripping hazard. Would be nice to see a Phase II where they lay some kind of padded surface over them for the kids. Maybe rubber sheeting with that miniature golf turf over it.

  • Vooch

    cobblestones are fine

    children have played on cobblestone streets since at least 1,000 BC

  • reasonableexplanation

    That’s the annual cost for owning a car to use for commuting to work in NYC.

    I’m not sure what the breakdown is, but I’m assuming the vast majority of car owners in the 5 boros don’t use their cars for commuting to work.

  • Joe R.

    Are you sure about that 5¢/mile maintenance figure? I spend at least half that much maintaining my bike, and I do all the work myself. I would think for a car it would be much higher.

  • kevd

    i’d guess 10,000 miles/year is on the high end for most NYC drivers

  • ahwr

    $9k is the AAA calculated cost for a new midsize sedan kept for 5 years driven 15k miles/year. $14.8k is APTA adding in a parking charge for NYC. Average spending per car according to BLS surveys is ~$4k. Most people who drive to work in NYC don’t drive to Manhattan.

  • reasonableexplanation

    On a leased car, the only maintenance items that are not covered by the dealer are wear items, i.e. tires and brakes. A 3 year lease at 10k miles per year, you’re not going to change either, so your maintenance cost would likely be zero.

    Okay maybe you’ll change the wipers twice or something, so 40 bucks total maintenance cost over 30k miles.

    On a car that you own and have to repair yourself, estimates range from 5c to 8c per mile for maintenance. I chose to present a leased car since that makes everything easier, and it’s a typical, mid-range number, not low or high end.

    You could get a gently used toyota hybrid and pay basically nothing for fuel or repairs, or a used Fiat and spend half your rent on repairs every month. There’s a lot of choice out there.

  • reasonableexplanation

    By the way, much like a reliable/unreliable car, a bike can be either. If you’re riding a lightweight city bike, you’ll have a lot more problems from our legendary potholes and the rest.

    I ride a heavy mountain bike with slim puncture resistant tires and nice heavy duty wheels, it a’int fast at all, but the only maintenance it needs is the odd squirt of chain oil here and there.

  • Joe R.

    I got you beat on the tires:

    http://www.marvelcompoundtires.com/700-x-20C-Daytona-HR-Race-622_p_24.html

    By definition these never go flat. They also last several times as long as regular bike tires.

    99% of my bike maintenance was changing flat tires. Now after using airless tires for the last 9 years I mostly do the same as you, oil the chain occasionally, change it about once every 5,000 miles.

    Potholes are hell on rims but a few years ago I build myself a new rear wheel. First time I ever attempted wheel building. It’s holding up pretty well so far.

    Homemade wheel building jig and spoke tensiometer:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c5eca0dfe0459191f1a52b2377a7cb25b0b1a336c90d9e6912f580f3f0847ce.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/425a9502c16ecda5e3b97e731c8bc345d93e3e7fae06abed8f00b39ae32981a9.jpg

    My bike:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/608758329cf56213b81744b368ad6e23f14e2e2002fc5ef3c47693e2741f6282.jpg

  • reasonableexplanation

    That is one sweet setup!

  • Joe R.

    Thanks!