MTA Open Thread: How Will Service Cuts Affect You?

No_Longer_Bus_Stop.jpgNo longer a bus stop, effective June 27. Image: Transportation Nation.

With the cuts to New York City Transit taking effect this weekend, today’s the last day of service for many riders. If you take the V or W train, or the M6, M18, M27, M30, B23, B37, B39, B51, B71, B75, B77, Q74, Q75, Q79, Q89, Bx14, Bx25, Barretto Park Pool Shuttle, S60 or S67 buses, you’ll be hit the hardest; those lines are scheduled for elimination. On dozens more routes, riders will be waiting longer for their ride or scrambling to replace night and weekend service.

We want to hear how these cuts are going to affect you. Will you ride your bike more and take the bus less? Stay in the neighborhood on weekends? How much longer is it going to take to get to work? Let us know in the comments.

  • Throcky

    I’ll bicycle more often, and invest in more weatherproof bike stuff, especially with another fare hike coming.

  • Larry Littlefield

    On the days I don’t ride, I generally change from the F to the BMT at 4th Avenue and 9th Street, because the long local ride on the F to Midtown is too mind numbing. With 10 trains per hour on the 4th Avenue local rather than 16, a 37.5% cut in service frequency, I won’t be doing that anymore.

    The options are to walk across Prospect Park to the Brighton Line, a 15 minute detour, or take a shorter ride up to Grand Army Plaza and take the IRT.

  • Blurg

    Hopefully, when the M replaces the V, it will be cleaner then it’s rated as right now. I hadn’t heard about them reducing it by two cars until this morning. That will make things fun.

  • MysteriousTraveller

    The X29 is being discontinued along with some other express bus lines from Brooklyn.
    Back in the days when the MTA was holding hearings about fare increases that the reason they were increasing the fares was so that they would not have to cut back services.
    The MTA’s books have never been audited. They should be.

  • Josh

    Before cuts: sometimes when I’m waiting for the F train, the V train will come and I won’t get on it because it doesn’t go to Brooklyn.

    After cuts: sometimes when I’m waiting for the F train, the M train will come and I won’t get on it because it doesn’t go to my part of Brooklyn.

    So, not much, really.

  • J. Mork

    The cuts are a slap in the face to families who ride the buses in Brooklyn. We have typically made 2 or 3 weekend round trips a month on the B69 from Prospect Heights to the South Slope. Now I guess we’ll get more exercise on our half-hour walks to visit our friends.

    What sacrifices are drivers being asked/forced to make?

  • R2

    8-car M train will be interesting.

    Anyone here know the exact reason? Does it have to do with the Myrtle Ave part? Other reasons? Is the “brown” M 8 cars currently?

  • Mike

    The BMT Broadway line was never extended to handle 10-car trains. (Broadway in Brooklyn, not Broadway in Manhattan.)

  • Larry Littlefield

    “8-car M train will be interesting. Anyone here know the exact reason? Does it have to do with the Myrtle Ave part? Other reasons? Is the “brown” M 8 cars currently?”

    What was originally the Eastern Division of the BMT railroad, including the Canarsie Line (L), the Myrtle Avenue Line (M), the Broadway Brooklyn line (JZ), and the Fulton Street line (gone), only had 8 car platforms. I believe that is also true for the Nassau Loop line the J and Z feed into.

    The BMT Southern Division had 10 car platforms. Interestingly, the IND was built with 11 car platforms, but when the IND and BMT were merged by several connnections, the trains were cut back to 10 cars, and in some cases the extra space on the platforms was re-purposed.

  • BMT Southern Division was also built with 8-car platforms, but they were later extended to 10 cars. I believe that was in the ’60s when the Chrystie St connection was being built, for obvious interoperability reasons. It’s often obvious where in the stations the extension occurred, because the tiles are different, or the column placement is different, or something like that.

  • R2

    Thanks guys, appreciate the rundown. Some follow-up: The V generally uses R-46 cars, where are those going now? Back to the G?
    (I’m assuming the R-160s will be used as those are being rolled out on the Queens Blvd Line anyway and the M uses the R-160s now)

    Oh well, guess the party’s over for getting a seat (even during rush hour) on the V 🙂

  • Larry Littlefield

    I’m not sure where the R46s are going, but they can’t be used on the Eastern Division. The best guess is the F.

  • Dan

    I admit to a little confusion- I live along the Queens W line but the N also travels that way and the Q will now go all the way to Ditmars as well instead of stopping at 57th and 7th. So it seems like some of the slack left by the W’s absence will be taken up by the Q but I suppose we’ll see, in time.

  • Larry Littlefield

    Here’s a little side bet. Everything that is gone will never, ever come back.

    The MTA bus route network has been a product of history, and had substantial inefficiencies. Since there are objections to anything the agency does to change anything, when money was available the civil service thing to do was just keep things the same, wait around, and draw your pension.

    I doubt much bus services will be restored. But if it ever is, the additional buses and drivers will go elsewhere, to routes where the demand is, or entirely new routes.

    Similarly, my guess is the current M route is here to stay, as long as the Willie-B can accommodate trains, because people in North Brooklyn will demand to keep the 6th Avenue option. If the money returns to run additional service on the 4th Avenue local in Brooklyn, it will be via a restored W train.

  • Andrew

    R2:
    The R-46’s will be going to the A to allow for the retirement of the R-44’s.

    Dan:
    The Q will be filling in for the W in Astoria. The idea was to cut the relatively lightly used services in Midtown and Brooklyn, not to cut the heavily used Astoria line.

    MysteriousTraveller:
    Audit all you like, but unless you audit the state’s books, I don’t think you’re going to find much. As for express buses, they are far more heavily subsidized than local bus and subway services. Many of them exist as political gifts only. I guess you’ll have to walk the half mile from the X29 to the Brighton line from now on.

  • Melina

    I will be inconvenienced by several bus eliminations/re-routings but I guess I’ll cope. Tonight I did have the “honor” of being the final passenger on the final run of the X13. Passengers around me reminisced about their years on the route; people do get attached to their transit.

  • vnm

    MysteriousTraveller:

    There are two things I think you should be aware of.

    1) The MTA’s books are audited each and every year. Audited financial statements are posted on the MTA’s website, and the proceedings of the MTA Board’s Audit Committee are also posted on the MTA’s website. The myth that the MTA’s books are crooked is spouted again and again by politicians seeking to avoid their responsibility to fund public transportation. Have a look at the MTA’s audited financial statements before you repeat their BS again.

    2) Although the X29 is being cut by the MTA, a private company will continue to operate the line starting on Monday. The firm thinks it can make a profit on the line because it can avoid a number of burdens the MTA faces, including costly requirements to provide service to the disabled, arcane union work rules, and a mountain of debt. It will be interesting to see how long the route continues under the private management. Not for nothing, the new fare on the X29 will be $6, payable in cash, up from the $4.78 the MTA charged up until today through the bonus discount MetroCard.

  • Larry Littlefield

    I read the article about the private service. The operator was a long time poster on http://www.nycsubway.org more than a decade ago, and is a real fan of transit.

    I hope he succeeds. In addition to his other advantages, as a new operation he will not have retirees who are far richer than his current and future workers. He probably will have debt — he couldn’t buy buses otherwise — but not a massive debt that had more to do with past privileges than future transportation.

  • Joel isn’t buying any buses for this service. As the article says, he will be contracting it out to charter bus companies, at least initially.

  • Melina

    Running private service isn’a always a piece of cake. The Staten Island Azumah service had some struggles. I wish him great success on this venture.

    http://blog.silive.com/advanceupdate/2007/05/commuters_at_the_breaking_poin.html

  • Donnie Jeffcoat

    When does the turnaround happen? At what point will service ever be ADDED? Didn’t 45,000 people move here over the last 12 months? I’d pay more for more frequent service, in all honesty. It’s very dangerous for neighborhoods in any world city to be isolated.

  • AP

    I guess I have to increase my transportation budget to avoid the expense of the heart attack nycta is going to give me. I’m in the Melrose section of the BX and since the cuts began Sunday I already found myself taking a cab (which I never do). This area depends heavily on the slow, packed, dirty buses to get to the slow, packed, dirty trains and people were already riding in the stairwells of the bus to do so. A lot of new developments are going up around here…Boricua college, many new residential buildings along 3rd ave and along 161st street and they’re cutting service now? I’ve tried taking a 6 or 15 bus on a Sunday night (9-10pmish) and end up walking (up to 1 mile) ’cause it’s so packed. Walking is great but I don’t always have the time to do so (or the energy on 90 degree days).

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