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  • Lora Tenenbaum

    I appreciate your backing off a bit, although I fear you still need to know more about art placement in parks. What I don’t understand is why you are so insistant that we have to share the park space. You haven’t really explained that at all (or at least, without name-calling). Why not move it across the street? Why make enemies out of friends?

    The fact of the matter is that no car parking was displaced to put the bike share dock station here. It will be if it moves into the street. And don’t go into how the DOT gave up driving, parking lanes on Lafayette for the park to be enlarged. They did, at the request of those planning the park. The space was turned over to Parks for parkland use. Now its time to use the bike dock station to take out more parking! If you look at the attached photo you will see the area we are suggesting is best…just look beyond the head of the fellow riding the bike share bike on the pedestrian plaza (not the guy riding his bike in the wrong direction on Lafayette). Now that is a good spot for a bike share station…almost as centrally located, has community support…takes out parking…FDNY approves it…whats not to like?

  • Lora Tenenbaum

    Hmm…I thought I’d linked the photo properly:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/xguw7ejxqp5kgrk/2013-06-20%2014.55.03.jpg

  • Lora Tenenbaum

    So you actually believe government always knows best? Robert Moses comes to mind.

  • Daphna

    JarekAF is right about SoHo needing reclamation of road space for pedestrian use. Roads in SoHo need to be put on diets. Either parking lanes or travel lanes need to be re-allocated. Sidewalks need to be widened.

    Just as Petrosino Square was extended north 156 feet and west 20 feet by a donation of land from Lafayette Street in October 2009, this needs to be done elsewhere in SoHo. Manhattan Community Board 2 members and Sean Sweeney and his SoHo Alliance should be pushing for such improvements instead of pushing against them.

    Focusing on 32 bike docks that are on reclaimed street space is the wrong fight. The cause that you and Sean Sweeney and other SoHo leaders should be fighting for is to get more street space re-allocated to pedestrians/cyclists just as the northern tip of Petrosino Square was 3.5 years ago.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right! Using statistical analysis and traffic data to allay unreasonable fears of a minor change to a city street is EXACTLY like ramming six-lane elevated freeways through urban neighborhoods!

  • Daphna

    Anyone who wants less cars needs to back that up with a willingness to make a physical change to the street and to re-allocate street space. Keeping the same street space allocated to cars, but designating different uses for it, such as travel lane instead of parking or vice versa, is not going to lessen the number of people who choose to drive there. Facilitating thru traffic and altering a street so that there is less congestion actually causes more people to want to drive.

  • Daphna

    There do need to be checks and balances between City or State agencies and community residents. However, of late, many community boards are not making decisions that reflect the desires of the communities they are supposed to represent; and many community boards are turning down traffic calming plans that have been thoroughly vetted, well thought out, and are based on real data.

  • Anonymous

    takes out parking. Oh, that’s supposed to be a feature now. Haha. Jokes aside, I’m looking at that photo and I wonder, right below that guys’ head, isn’t that space for some big ass sculptures?

    I cannot speak to why DOT is enamored with the square over the potential street placement. I know Cleveland PL was nixed by the FDNY.

    I personally prefer having it in Petrosino Square because it’s a rather complicated intersection and having the safety of a plaza goes along way towards making people feel comfortable. Because remember, the bike share program is geared towards everyone and not just experienced road bikers like myself.

    And right above Spring (your suggested location) is where the road starts to open up and cars go fast. Frankly, Centre/Lafayette north from Canal through Houston is one of the most dangerous stretches of Lower Manhattan because you get a few blocks in a row where cars can go fast. I’ve been hit once on Lafayette (just above Prince and across from bike Habitat) and I’ve been nearly killed by a road raging off duty cop on Centre before Grand.

    Could it work in your preferred location? I think so. But I think Petrosino square is far superior as this intersection is very complicated so having the station in a pedestrian refuge is very beneficial.

    I can sympathize to an extent. There’s little space for people in the city so every bit matters. And some people are going to get the short end of the stick in some places. I have to detour around the WTC every day because the Hudson River Greenway’s been blocked for thee past 4 years and you have to take a detour around the pier (which has frequent summer concerts that you need to dismount for). And as someone who gets around primarily on bicycle, I know what it’s like to get the shaft from City planners (yes, we have some lanes but we’re also frequently subjected to some awful s–t). I’d gladly have some dedicated art at a Citibike share station.

    You guys have a chance to go Guerilla art. Otherwise, can’t you see Citi doing some joint marketing stuff, we’re they promote local artists and try to get PR from that? Right now, you can mock Citi bank all day. In the future, I bet it’ll be “Citi presents local artists” and they’ll be the one’s reeping the benefits.

  • Daphna

    To Lora Tenebaum: So… on Cleveland Place adjacent to Petrosino Square the DOT approved a docking station but the FDNY objected? On Lafayette is it the opposite, the FDNY likes it but the DOT does not. Go talk to the FDNY and see if you can persuade them to change their mind about Cleveland Place. Find out their objections. See if their objections are valid (you obviously do not think the DOT objections to Lafayette are valid but it seems you are giving the FDNY a free pass). Also talk to the DOT about your proposed space on Lafayette. Keep the focus on finding a solution (i.e. getting a new adjacent location approved) before turning the focus to removal of the current docking station.

  • Lora Tenenbaum

    Your last sentence says it all. I totally agree. However, sometimes what seems beneficial on paper fails to include the human factor, or a deep knowledge of the ebb and flow of a street or community. When community boards do it right, that is what they bring to the table.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, if there is a bike lane on a 40+’ road then you use the bike lane unless it is blocked/unsafe or you are preparing to make a right turn.

  • überfahr

    She is the embodiment of the great transportation ruse in America: the real and deadly ‘socialists’ are the pro-motor vehicle-istas who drive the most damaging, deadly, and dangerous trajectory available — the car – on roads that everyone pays for and can be used in unlimited quantity (that is the definition of ‘socialism’). And then these bike-haters park their highly subsidized monsters of death, mayhem, and destruction mostly at taxpayer expense, as they themselves get plump, bitter, and even more expensive for our health care system.