Today’s Headlines

  • Hakim Papers Over Cuomo’s Latest MTA Budget Raid (News)
  • All Hands on Deck to Fix Cuomo’s LaGuardia Traffic Mess (News)
  • With PA Board Voting Today, Mitchell Moss Recites Gov’s AirTrain Talking Points (News)
  • MTA Not Interested in Improving Bus Service for Lower East Side Seniors (DNA)
  • Road Lobby Names NYC Bridges and Overpasses on “Deficient” List (Reuters, NY1)
  • Police Are Ticketing Toll Cheats and NY1 Smells a Conspiracy
  • School Bus Driver Severely Injures 11-Year-Old Girl on Nostrand Avenue (News, DNA)
  • A Brief History of Driver-Into-Restaurant Crashes in Staten Island (Advance)
  • Parking or Road Widening? Oddo and Matteo Face Terrible Choice (Advance)
  • The Times Goes Deep on the Scheming Behind Council Speaker Race

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  • Larry Littlefield

    No we know what the qualifications for MTA Chair are.

    1) Cuts in revenues paid by people to day, to shift the money elsewhere, is no problem.

    2) Increases in debt, to be paid by younger people who will be here tomorrow, are no problem.

    3) Excess costs, which benefit powerful interest groups, are no problem.

    4) The decline in service and decrease in reliability are not happening.

    5) And if they are blame me, not the politicians. I’m only here for a few years before I retire to Florida with a fat pension anyway.

  • sbauman

    The “MTA Not Interested in Improving Bus Service for Lower East Side Seniors” article illustrates a basic dilemma with the mantra that the number of bus stops should be reduced to increase bus speed. While the time spent in the bus might decrease, total door-to-door trip time might actually increase. Such an increase in total trip time makes bus transit less attractive and contributes to its patronage decline.

    It all depends on the distance between bus stops and the distance traveled in the bus. NYC characteristics are not suited to increasing the distance between stops. The average distance between local stops is approximately 1/4 mile; it’s approximately 1/2 mile between SBS or limited stops. The average distance traveled is approximately 2 miles.

    The local journey would require an average of 1/4 mile walking to/from the bus stops plus the time it took the bus to travel 2 miles. The SBS or limited journey would require an average of 1/2 mile walking to/from the bus stops plus the time spent in the bus.

    The extra walking distance is 1/4 mile, which requires 5 minutes extra walking time at 3 mph. This means SBS or limited buses must make up 5 minutes in 2 miles just to break even with local service travel time from the customer’s perspective. An average 6 mph speed means it will take 20 minutes to cover 2 miles. Average bus speed would have to increase 33% to 8 mph for the 2 mile bus trip to take 15 minutes.

    Average SBS or limited bus speed has not experienced such increased average speed. Thus, SBS and limited buses have not provided better service for many passengers. Their demands for better service should come as no surprise, after SBS has been installed.

  • bolwerk

    Think the average distance between local stops on Manhattan avenues is more like 1/7 of a mile (<800 feet). SBS is more like 3/7 (~2300 feet, give or take, still less than a half mile) of a mile.

    I think 1/4 of a mile actually be a happier medium. That's about 1320 feet, so nobody along the route has to walk more than 660 feet to a stop. Put in terms of blocks along Manhattan avenues, it means stopping about every 5 blocks One of the dumber things about SBS (overall a pretty successful project) is that slower buses share the lanes and stops, so the faster buses are often struggling to pass them by going into congested non-bus lanes.

  • Larry Littlefield

    Here is something interesting.

    http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/subway-tunnel-at-bloc-shopping-center-opens/article_0e0d36ea-ed93-11e6-a08d-6f2966721ab0.html

    A new pedestrian tunnel connecting to the subway in Downtown LA, which was mostly developed by the 1920s.

    “Representatives from the public and private sectors opened a tunnel that connects the Financial District shopping complex The Bloc with the Seventh Street/Metro Center rail station. The $9.3 million project runs under Seventh Street and emerges in the courtyard of the complex that also holds an office tower and a hotel.”
    The tunnel is only 25 feet long, but at $9.3 million that is $372,000 per foot. Which seems reasonable. So what would it cost in NYC?

  • BubbaJoe123

    If bus stops are 1/2 a mile apart, then average walking distance is 1/8 of a mile. MAXIMUM walking distance is 1/4 of a mile.

  • sbauman

    If bus stops are 1/2 a mile apart, then average walking distance is 1/8 of a mile. MAXIMUM walking distance is 1/4 of a mile.

    True.

    However, there are TWO bus stops per trip (one for boarding and one for alighting). Thus the average total walking distance is 2 x 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile.

  • BubbaJoe123

    Agreed, but that’s not what you said in your original post.

    “The local journey would require an average of 1/4 mile walking to/from the bus stops plus the time it took the bus to travel 2 miles. The SBS or limited journey would require an average of 1/2 mile walking to/from the bus stops plus the time spent in the bus.

    The extra walking distance is 1/4 mile, which requires 5 minutes extra walking time at 3 mph. This means SBS or limited buses must make up 5 minutes in 2 miles just to break even with local service travel time from the customer’s perspective. An average 6 mph speed means it will take 20 minutes to cover 2 miles. Average bus speed would have to increase 33% to 8 mph for the 2 mile bus trip to take 15 minutes.”

    Actually, the local journey (stops 1/4 mile apart) would have average walking of 1/8 of a mile (2×1/16), while the limited/SBS would have average walking of 1/4 of a mile (2×1/8). So, an additional 1/8 of a mile of walking for the limited. That’s an additional ~2 minutes of walking, on average, for the limited/SBS to make up, not 5.

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