Today’s Headlines

  • MTA Plans to Close Capital Deficit With $7B In Debt, Port Authority Funds (WSJ)
  • Even With All That Borrowing, MTA Thinks It Can Avoid Service Cuts and Big Fare Hikes (Post)
  • MTA Proposes Value Capture Near Second Avenue, East Side Access for More Revenue (Newsday)
  • News: Walder Wrote Good, But Fragile, Operating Budget
  • After Months of Pressure, NYPD Finally Starts Ticketing Placarded Cars Near Atlantic Yards (News)
  • New York State’s First Public Bike-Share Program, With 400 Bikes, Coming to Long Beach (MTR)
  • Westchester’s Bee-Line Buses, Used By Transit-Dependent Commuters, Hits Record Ridership (MTR)
  • East Siders Imagine New Waterfront Park, Part of Proposed Future Greenway (NYT)
  • Ray Kelly: Raise Fine for Fare-Beating (News)

More headlines at Streetsblog Capitol Hill

  • The Truth

    There are real equity concerns about the ever-increasing subway fare.  But Jimmy Vacca is out of touch when he suggests that fare increases are going to keep people from using the system.  Has he bothered to glance at any ridership numbers since he became Chair of the Transportation Committee?

  • Larry Littlefield

    The MTA Capital Plan:  Do I even have to say it?

    Do a plurality of people who read this discussion board see that the values behind this proposal are the same as the values behind so many proposals at all levels of government, all of which sell out the future? 

    Is the MTA releasing a proposal for 2015 to 2020?  No.  Those who matter will be heading to Florida eventually, so 2020 doesn’t matter.

    How long before the TWU demand that some of the borrowing be used for the 20/50 pension plan, and the Straphangers demand that the borrowed money be used to roll back the fare.  Free rides for those over 55, perhaps? 

    And will the capital plan as proposed actually keep up with ongoing normal replacement?  I doubt it.  Will ESA and the Stubway actually be finished, or will another “gap” be left for 2015?  And what will be cut when the construction industry gets its change orders and jacks up prices, and when seniors demand limousine rides be funded with borrowed money if capital construction inconveniences them?

    There is an ongoing, one-sided generational war that no one will talk about, because if everyone started talking about it perhaps it would cease to be so one sided.  The whole country, just about ever institution, is being pillaged and mortgaged.

  • Larry Littlefield

    The MTA Capital Plan:  Do I even have to say it?

    Do a plurality of people who read this discussion board see that the values behind this proposal are the same as the values behind so many proposals at all levels of government, all of which sell out the future? 

    Is the MTA releasing a proposal for 2015 to 2020?  No.  Those who matter will be heading to Florida eventually, so 2020 doesn’t matter.

    How long before the TWU demand that some of the borrowing be used for the 20/50 pension plan, and the Straphangers demand that the borrowed money be used to roll back the fare.  Free rides for those over 55, perhaps? 

    And will the capital plan as proposed actually keep up with ongoing normal replacement?  I doubt it.  Will ESA and the Stubway actually be finished, or will another “gap” be left for 2015?  And what will be cut when the construction industry gets its change orders and jacks up prices, and when seniors demand limousine rides be funded with borrowed money if capital construction inconveniences them?

    There is an ongoing, one-sided generational war that no one will talk about, because if everyone started talking about it perhaps it would cease to be so one sided.  The whole country, just about ever institution, is being pillaged and mortgaged.

  • Larry Littlefield

    The MTA Capital Plan:  Do I even have to say it?

    Do a plurality of people who read this discussion board see that the values behind this proposal are the same as the values behind so many proposals at all levels of government, all of which sell out the future? 

    Is the MTA releasing a proposal for 2015 to 2020?  No.  Those who matter will be heading to Florida eventually, so 2020 doesn’t matter.

    How long before the TWU demand that some of the borrowing be used for the 20/50 pension plan, and the Straphangers demand that the borrowed money be used to roll back the fare.  Free rides for those over 55, perhaps? 

    And will the capital plan as proposed actually keep up with ongoing normal replacement?  I doubt it.  Will ESA and the Stubway actually be finished, or will another “gap” be left for 2015?  And what will be cut when the construction industry gets its change orders and jacks up prices, and when seniors demand limousine rides be funded with borrowed money if capital construction inconveniences them?

    There is an ongoing, one-sided generational war that no one will talk about, because if everyone started talking about it perhaps it would cease to be so one sided.  The whole country, just about ever institution, is being pillaged and mortgaged.

  • carma

    the reality is that fare increases will disuade SOME users from using the transit system.  but not a mass exodus.  we are talking about a smaller than 3% amount of users will travel by other means.  service cuts will take more users out than a fare hike.

    heh, you cant ride the bus/subway, if there is no bus/subway to ride. right?

  • Bolwerk

    Why not raise the fine for littering too?  I don’t know what that currently is ($50-$200 range?), but it’s clearly not effective. 

  • The Truth

    Sometimes it’s a matter of enforcement, rather than legislation.  The existing amount should be sufficient, if people were actually issued summonses.  Likewise, raising it to $5,000 would have little impact if nobody ever knew anybody who had actually been fined.

  • The Truth

    Fair enough, @d8d46f16f380afef59ca318522397233:disqus .  Yes, an increase in cost will result in some existing riders choosing not to make trips. 

    My point is that congestion is becoming so bad, and gas prices keep increasing, that for every rider who drops out of the market, there is another waiting to get on the train.

    Completely agree with the problems with service cuts, and that’s what you’ll get if you can’t fund the system.

  • Charles_Siegel

    Effective enforcement  is possible only if fines are high enough for enforcement to pay for itself.  I presume that the laws are not enforced now because the city loses money on enforcing them does not have money to subsidize enforcement.

    Raise the fine enough for enforcement to pay for itself and to earn the city extra revenue, as parking enforcement does.

  • Bolwerk

    Somehow I suspect @0c6a1ba3c059e75968ce271f4ea79d78:disqus is right that they don’t think it’s worth it. Whether it is worth it at $50/pop to catch a litterer, I don’t know. I would guess they’re harder to find than fare beaters in a POP scenario – which means the fine should probably be significantly higher. 

  • The Truth

    They don’t think it’s worth it because they didn’t become cops to hand out tickets for littering.  The machos hired by the NYPD won’t write any tickets unless they’re made to do it, whether the enforcement costs the City money or raises billion$.

  • Bolwerk

    @40daebbed12b53745f7f9f21456e6154:disqus : they are all too happy to fine straphangers for other offenses, like taking up two seats on an empty train.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with carma on this – service cuts are far more damaging to ridership than fare hikes, at least in the range being discussed.
    Almost all transit riders value their time highly enough that the implicit costs of service cuts are far greater than any of the fare hikes on the table.

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