Today’s Headlines

  • Spitzer-Appointed Port Authority Chief Resigns (Crain’s, Sun)
  • Mega-Development Projects Need Help (NYT)
  • With Pricing’s Defeat, City Drops Residential Parking Permits (Bklyn Paper)
  • Quinnipiac Lands Parting Shot (Post
  • Taxi Erupts in Flames Outside St. Patrick’s (Post)
  • Bike Lane Calms Washington Street (Villager
  • Complete Street Plans Move Ahead on Dekalb and Vanderbilt (Bklyn Paper)
  • Parking Sign Tampering Causes Neighborhood Uproar (Bklyn Paper
  • San Francisco to Try Variable Rate Meters (Chron via Planetizen
  • GA Legislature Kills Popular Transpo Funding Bill (C. Loaf via BikeAthens Blog)
  • Hinky Highway Earmark Sparks Congressional Probe (NYT)
  • Spud Spudly

    Let me guess — Quinnipiac didn’t word the questions in the poll properly, right?

  • Larry Littlefield

    The only meaningful CP poll will come in a year or two, and the question will not include something for nothing as an alternative. It will be”

    “Given what you now know about transportation finance, and the measures that have been taken in response to the crisis, are you still glad the State Legislature voted down congestion pricing?”

    Meanwhile, let’s move on to taking a larger share of the free streets and bridges.

  • Spud Spudly

    I see what you’re saying, but that won’t be the question unless Albany is actually going to vote on CP some time.

  • Larry Littlefield

    “That won’t be the question unless Albany is actually going to vote on CP some time.”

    It will be if people make an issue of it. “The state assembly voted down CP and now they are raising taxes on me!”

    “The state assembly voted down CP and now they are raising fares and cutting service!”

    “The state assembly voted down CP and now they are building East Side Access for Long Island but not the Second Avenue Subway!”

    Now the reality is, of course, that underfunding transit, paying too much for capital investment, keeping the fare too low and borrowing the difference over 20 years is 3/4 of the upcoming disaster, and rejecting CP is 1/4. But the same SOBs did that too!

  • Spud Spudly

    My point LL was that they didn’t actually vote.

  • Larry Littlefield

    (My point LL was that they didn’t actually vote.)

    They made a non-decision. With 212 to 0 against, with the exception of those who were out-front in favor before the last day.

    I think this particular non-decision was too public for them to avoid accountability, unlike many of their other non-decisions.

  • Mark

    Quinnipiac University is located in CT halfway between NY and Boston. Its polls therefore reflect a suburban point of view, not an urban one. And of course its bully pulpits — which amplify the results of its polls — are TV stations and newspapers that get substantial ad revenue from car manufacturers and dealers.

  • Spud Spudly

    There is this little thing Mark known as a telephone which allows people anywhere to speak to just about whomever they want. We don’t know the sampling pool of Q’s latest poll.

    LL, I realize that it’s very easy to be misinterpeted in this medium so let me make it clear that I’m well aware of everything you’re saying and I’m not trying to pick an argument. I merely meant to say that the wording of your proposed future question would have to be changed to reflect the fact that no vote was taken. Maybe something like: “Given what you now know about transportation finance, and the measures that have been taken in response to the crisis, are you still glad the State Legislature failed to act on congestion pricing?”

    That’s it. Nothing more.

  • Larry Littlefield

    Fair enough.

  • Jan

    Mark – don’t forget that the media who all editorialized in favor of CP would have all stood to gain from CP due to increased purchase of newspapers since ridership would have increased on mass transit. That kind of neutralizes your point about mass media being the bully pulpit (?) for auto advertisers. Plus, CP would have potentially decreased demand for cars. So it seems according to your statement that newspapers bit the hand that guides them by supporting CP, does it not?

    Statistics and polls are like a bikini – they show a lot but not everything.

  • JF

    I’m sorry, Jan, what did you say your connection to the livable streets movement was?

  • Mark Walker (formerly Mark)

    Spud, Q’pac — like any other pollster — is capable of skewing the answers in the way it asks the questions.

  • Jan

    JF I don’t see you asking that question of everyone. If you are trying to weed people out, don’t post on the internet in a public manner for all to see and discuss. This is not a private forum.

    In my defense, I have been riding a bike through the streets of Manhattan and Queens for 20 years. I don’t have a car and I ride mass transit every day. That is my connection to the streets and my right to opine. Calling it the livable streets movement doesn’t help me relate to it; its actually kind of wimpy to me and self-righteous as the streets seem to have lived just fine for many years. But that is just my opinion.

    I see a lot of good in the movement to alter the nature of the use of public streets but the arrogance of the movement is hurting it. The demand that we are right and everyone else is wrong is what killed CP (in my opinion) and is what kills dialogue in here (in my opinion).

  • JF

    JF I don’t see you asking that question of everyone. If you are trying to weed people out, don’t post on the internet in a public manner for all to see and discuss. This is not a private forum.

    I don’t ask it of everyone, just of people I don’t trust. Since you’ve started posting here (under your various names) you’ve done nothing but criticize. Several times you’ve repeated the same criticism without acknowledging responses that others have made. Of course you’re free to post here, but I assume you want people to actually read and respond to what you write.

    I see a lot of good in the movement to alter the nature of the use of public streets

    Prove it. Name one thing that’s come out of the movement that you like. I’d also be interested in reading one change you’d like to see to make the streets more livable.

    The demand that we are right and everyone else is wrong is what killed CP (in my opinion) and is what kills dialogue in here (in my opinion).

    That’s funny, what seemed to kill dialogue in here to me was people coming in and endlessly repeating the same anti-CP arguments without listening to any responses. When that doesn’t happen, I think we’ve got great dialogue. And I see very few people insisting that “we are right and everyone else is wrong.”

  • Jan

    There is no reason to post responses after a certain point. This could go on and on. Enough said.

  • Jan

    One more thing, my original comment was on the nature of polling and the reporting of it. You questioned me and my connection the livable streets movement. You didn’t address my point. You shifted the dialogue. Stick to the point if you want a dialogue but don’t blame it on anti-CPers if you can’t stick the point.

    Go ahead, here we go about why you’re right and I am part of the grand anti-CP cabal that meets in secret to ALL completely agree and get our talking points aligned so that our groupthink can solely exist to destroy the cleanliving righteous livable streets movement. Yes, everyone who didn’t agree with CP is evil and bad and we all 100% agree on the exact reasons about why CP should have been defeated. We are the demons of the earth and we skewed all polls that were in our favor and we control the media and blah, blah, blah.

  • Mark Walker (formerly Mark)

    Phew, I smell tailpipe exhaust. Where did that come from? Oh, it’s you Jan.

  • JF

    Jan, I don’t want to have a dialogue that consists of you constantly telling everyone how wrong they are, no matter what they do to defend themselves. Since you’ve started posting here I can’t remember one positive thing you’ve said.

    I want to have a real dialogue – and I do, just not with you. Sometimes congestion pricing skeptics are genuinely interested in making the streets safe and pleasant for pedestrians instead of repeating the same tired arguments.

    I repeat, if you want us to trust you and pay attention to what you say, show us that you actually care about the same issues we care about.

  • Spud Spudly

    You’re obviously paying close attention to what she says already.

    In other news, I noticed that Chris Ward is mentioned as the most likely person to be named executive director at the Port Authority. You guys should like that as he was one of the prime movers in support of CP. He was doing it in his capacity as the head of the General Contractors Association — a trade group of companies that benefit most from huge capital budget expenditures — but still, he was doing it.

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